Žongliranje sa HDD (REŠENO)

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Žongliranje sa HDD (REŠENO)

Post napisao Vojvoda » 13 Okt 2007, 11:36

Postoji li adapter ili neka druga vrsta prevare pa da se SATA HDD WD 250Gb 16Mb veže na ATA ploču (ASUS A7N8X-X n-force2)?
Zadnja izmena: Vojvoda, dana 14 Okt 2007, 16:59, ukupno menjano 1 put.
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Post napisao rubin_miki » 13 Okt 2007, 12:00

postoji PCI kartica upravo za tu namenu...
ce da izadjem na televizor,a????
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Post napisao ado_89 » 13 Okt 2007, 18:06

slika

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Post napisao Dusan » 13 Okt 2007, 18:36

Od 20-25 eura ti se krece cena kartice,nemoj davati vishe od toga...
Svet bez muzike je besmislen

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Post napisao Vojvoda » 14 Okt 2007, 14:41

Još jedno pitanjce: Radi li sve to kao master, tj. može li se instalirati sistem na tako spojen HDD pa da radi kao i ovaj stari a starog da izbacim u kantu?

GDE KUPITI???? Na PC berzi je nema.
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Post napisao Vojvoda » 14 Okt 2007, 16:53

Ima ga List Computers po ceni 1901 din. (24 EUR), SATA 2+2 i 2074 din. (26 EUR), SATA 4+2.
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Post napisao Vojvoda » 16 Nov 2007, 23:34

Uz "malo" ubeđivanja uspeo sam da nateram novi HDD da radi u mojoj mašini. E sad, problem je što hoću da samo on radi u mašini a da vremešnog starca od 40GB izbacim napolje. Problem nastaje kad hoću da ubacim sistem na novi HDD. Ne "vidi" ga instalacija iako sam pravilno setovao particije na njemu. Sistem sa starca ga vidi i može da ga koristi, ali solo rad, jok!
Kako ga "nagovoriti" da radi sam?
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Post napisao kisko » 17 Nov 2007, 07:18

Izbaci starca(uz sve pocasti) proveri dali je na novom hdd jamper stavljen kao master ako je ok u biosu postavi da cd bude prvi(primar),save exit,restart i mora da ga vidi (starog otkaci skroz) instaliraj windovs i posle ako hoces vrati starca ali stavi jamper da bude slave...pozz
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Post napisao Vojvoda » 17 Nov 2007, 12:21

Sve sam to i uradio, ali ga ne vidi instalacija kad dođe do statusa upisivanja sistema na HDD. Igraću se još za par dana, idem u tazbinu i vraćam se u utorak.
Nego da napomenem, PCI kontroler sam instalirao pri podignutom sistemu na starcu pa sam potom ubacio novi HDD koji usput nema jumper za master - slave već samo za brzinu 1.5 ili 3.0.
Pošto je kontroler za SATA na 1.5 to sam i ja postavio jumper u taj položaj.
Inače BIOS ne vidi ovaj novi HDD mada posle prvog ekrana pre dizanja sistema ubaci neko podešavanje za RAID kontroler koje mi baš i nije jasno.
Videću...
Ako ima još ideja, otvoren sam za sugestije. Jedan drugar mi reče da tu treba da se uradi neka prevara kao kod novih lap-topova koji nemaju sistem a kad pokušaš da instaliraš oni ne vide HDD.
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Post napisao zlix » 17 Nov 2007, 13:23

Jeste,mora prevara treba prilikom pokretanja instalacije xp-a stisnuti F6 cini mi se ili F2 nisam najsigurniji prati sta pise dole kad krene install XP-a ,za ostale nepoznate sata ili SCSI diskove i dati mu driver za ovaj kontroler sa Floppy-a ,znaci moras imati i j...ni floppy , digni sistem sa Starcem i nadji driver za tu sata karticu .SYS i .DLL fajlove smesti u Root floppy-a pa tek onda pokreni XP -install stiskaj F6 ili F2 i kad ocita sve trazi ce ti fdd sa driverom za sata karticu .Kada mu uselis sistem na taj hdd verovatno da bi video boot sa njega moras u bios postaviti bootabile -add in cards ili opciju other zavisi od bios verezije ,za pocetak mu ostavi hdd-0 mozda oce i tako da se boot-uje :lala:

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Post napisao skull » 17 Nov 2007, 15:09

Ja sumnjam da ovo moze uspeti :(
Kad instaliras na novi disk umetnis drajvere, (kako je zlix pojasnio), ali kad napravis prvi restart onda opet drajvere za nestandardni disk, kako bi sistem mogao da cida od novi disk ???
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Post napisao fanzo » 17 Nov 2007, 16:38

što bi rekli ako nema u dampu (biosu) ..hmm...ne znam..

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Post napisao Vojvoda » 17 Nov 2007, 22:17

Ovo što je Zlix napisao ima debelog smisla jer se priča otprilike poklapa sa pričom gore pomenutog mog drugara, a i sa problemom na lap-top mašinama koje takođe moraš prevariti sa flopijem i onda rade normalno do sledeće reinstalacije sistema. Tada sve ide iz početka. Pokušaću Zlixov fazon.
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Post napisao zlix » 17 Nov 2007, 22:27

E sad ko sumlja nek se uveri sam!Ja da nisam probao ne bi ni saznao ,ali radim to vec godinama pa mi nije problem da pojasnim , bios trazi drugi nestandadni drive kada mu se zada bootable add-in ili add-on card tada nailazi na pci karticu koja ga usmerava na boot sektor hdd-a koji je na toj kartici i odatle cita i smesta u kes deo mape drivera za taj hdd i nakon toga ga butuje kao redovan hdd koji je nakacen na IDE kontroler ! ako treba jos nesto pitajte nije tajna ! Pozdrav svima i to nije razlog da ne :pivopije:

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Post napisao skull » 18 Nov 2007, 01:44

Zlix, aj molim te samo mi pojasni,
ono moje ne drzi voda,
znaci, ako umetnes drajvere pri instalaciju i odradis to onda pri bootovanja sistema nece imati nikakav problem, dovolno ce biti kako 1rst boot da postavis other device (ili nesto slicno).

- dali sam te dobro razumeo ???
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Post napisao zlix » 18 Nov 2007, 02:03

skull je napisao:Zlix, aj molim te samo mi pojasni,
ono moje ne drzi voda,
znaci, ako umetnes drajvere pri instalaciju i odradis to onda pri bootovanja sistema nece imati nikakav problem, dovolno ce biti kako 1rst boot da postavis other device (ili nesto slicno).

- dali sam te dobro razumeo ???
tacno tako :kolege:
Pre 3-4 godine kada su poceli da se pojavljuju integrisani S-ATA kontroleri na maticnim plocama uz drivere za MBD dobijao se Floppy sa S-ATA driverima ,koji je sluzio da prilikom instalacije s-ata HDD-a ubacis isti kada krene install OS-a posto u bios nije bio upisan config za S-ATA HDD isto to je koristilo kada se nabaci PCI kontroler za S-ATA HDD ili SCSI kontroler za HDD CD-DVD-ROM- danas je to skoro zanemareno jer u biosu vec ima skoro sve ali posto mi pretezno imamo masinke iz tog doba imamo i takve probleme ,znaci bios ne poznaje sta je na integrisanom S-ATA kontroleru ili PCI kontroleru jer nije bilo mesta da se i ta zahtevna rutina od 1Kbit-a upise u flash bios-a ,pa se tada koristila ram memorija u koju se raspakuje driver za odredjeni kontroler na koji je nakacen boot-abilni uredjaj i tek nakon izvrsenja rutine iz rama krece boot sistema ! Nadam se da je dovoljno :lala:
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Post napisao janko » 20 Nov 2007, 22:30

Spremi drajver na flopi na smom početku instalacije kada traži dodatne drajvere stisni F6 ubaci flopi i prati upuctva. Pazi moraš biti brz jer ako nestisneš na vreme F6 instalacija ide sama dalje pa onda neće videti hard.
Tako ide isto i za RAID konfiguracije. Ja to često radim na mom kompu diskovi su u RAID0 sistemu. (zbog video obrade)

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Post napisao Vojvoda » 24 Nov 2007, 11:00

U pravu si Janko. Nego ja nađoh rešenje, i to pogodite gde, na zvaničnom sajtu firme koja proizvodi ovaj kontroler. Skinem lepo drajver pošto je ovaj koji je došao na malom CD-u uz karticu očajno narezan i skoro nečitljiv, pravo je čudo kako sam i instalirao kontroler pod sistemom. Pogledam fajlove u sklopu drajvera, kad, tamo čuči read me fajl. Ne budem lenj, otvorim ga a ono u njemu kompletno uputstvo za instaliranje za sve OS.

Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Controller OS Driver Installation
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Table of Contents
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1) Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000/XP, Windows Server 2003, and Windows Vista Fresh Installation.

2) Adding the SiI RAID controller to an existing Windows NT installation.

3) Adding the SiI RAID controller to an existing Windows 2000/XP installation.

4) Verifying controller installation under Windows NT, 2000 and XP.

5) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows NT 4.0 with existing Silicon Image driver.

6) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows 2000/XP with existing Silicon Image driver.

7) Windows 98SE and Windows ME Fresh Installation Instructions.

8) First time installing SiI RAID driver with existing Windows 98SE/ME.

9) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows 98SE/ME with existing Silicon Image driver.



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1) Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000/XP, Windows Server 2003, and Windows Vista Fresh Installation.
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Follow the instructions in this section if you are performing a new
installation of Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000/XP, Windows Server 2003, or Windows Vista Fresh Installation and you wish to boot from a device attached to the SiI 3112 controller.


1. Power off the system. Connect the hard drives to the SiI 3112
controller and insert the controller into a PCI slot. Power up
the system.

2. Put your Windows NT/2000/XP, Windows Server 2003, or Windows Vista CD into the CD-ROM/DVD drive, or the NT/2000/XP boot diskette #1 in the floppy drive if your
system cannot boot from the CD.

3. Press F6 for third party SCSI or driver installation at the beginning
of text mode installation. Press 's' when setup asks if you want to
specify an additional device, and insert the diskette labeled
'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Driver Installation Disk' .

Press 'Enter' and select
'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Controller'

4. Press 'Enter' to continue on with text mode setup.

5. Follow the setup instructions to select your choice for
partition and file system.

6. After setup examines your disks, it will copy files to
Windows 2000 installation folders and restart the system.
The setup program will continue and finish the installation
after restart.

7. Wait until Windows 2000 finishes installing devices, regional
settings, networking settings, components, and final set of
tasks, reboot the system if it is required.

8. See instructions in section 4 to verify controller was installed
correctly.



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2) Adding the SiI RAID controller to an existing Windows NT 4.0 installation
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Follow the instructions in this section to install the Silicon Image
SiI 3112 driver on a system already running Windows NT 4.0.


1. Power off the system. Connect the hard drives to the SiI 3112
controller and insert the controller into a PCI slot. Power up
the system.

2. After OS boots up, Click 'Start'

3. Under 'Settings', click 'Control Panel'.

4. Select 'SCSI Adapters' from the Control Panel.

5. Select the 'Drivers' tab and click 'Add'.

6. Click 'Have Disk'.

7. Insert the diskette labeled ' Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid
Driver Installation Disk' into A: and press 'Enter'.

8. Choose 'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Controller' and
click 'OK'.

9. See instructions in section 4 to verify controller was installed
correctly.



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3)Adding the SiI RAID controller to an existing Windows 2000/XP installation
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Follow the instructions in this section to install the Silicon Image
SiI 3112 driver on a system already running Windows 2000.


1. Power off the system. Connect the hard drives to the SiI 3112
controller and insert the controller into a PCI slot. Power up
the system.

2. During OS boot up, Windows 2000 will display the
'Found New Hardware Wizard'. Click 'Next'.

3. Select 'Search for a suitable driver for my device
(Recommended)' and Click 'Next'.

4. Under 'Optional search locations' insure that 'Floppy disk drives'
is checked.

5. Insert the diskette labeled ' Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Driver
Installation Disk' into A: and click 'Next'.

6. When the wizard indicates that it found a driver for the device click
'Next'.

7. If the 'Digital Signature Not Found' dialog appears, click 'Yes' to
continue installing the driver.

8. The wizard will now copy the required files to the system and start the
driver. After starting the driver the wizard will display a completion
dialog, click 'Finish' to exit the wizard.

9. See instructions in section 4 to verify controller was installed
correctly.



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4) Verifying controller installation under Windows NT, 2000 and XP
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Follow the instructions in this section to verify that the controller was
installed correctly.

For Windows 2000/XP

1. Right click on 'My Computer' icon, select 'Properties',
left click on 'Hardware' tab, and then on 'Device Manager'
button.

2. Double click on 'SCSI and RAID Controllers', If there is no
yellow '! ' or ' ? ' in front of
'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Controller', the driver
is started correctly.

3. To view information about the devices attached to the controller, use the SiICfg
Utility and click on the device from the list.


For Windows NT 4.0

1. Double click on 'My Computer' icon, select 'Control Panel', click
on 'SCSI Adapters' icon, 'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid
Controller' should displayed correctly under 'Device' and 'Driver' tab.

2. To view information about the devices attached to the controller, use the SiICfg
Utility and click on the device from the list.

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5) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows NT 4.0 with existing Silicon Image driver
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1. After OS boots up, Click 'Start'

2. Under 'Settings', click 'Control Panel'.

3. Select 'SCSI Adapters' from the Control Panel.

4. Select the 'Drivers' tab and click 'Add'.

5. Click 'Have Disk'.

6. Insert the diskette labeled 'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Driver
Installation Disk' into A: and press 'Enter'.

7. Choose 'Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid Controller' and
click 'OK'.

8. Refer to instructions in section 4 to verify controller was installed
correctly.


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6) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows 2000/XP with existing Silicon Image driver
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With the Silicon Image controller already plugged in and the driver already
installed. Follow the instructions to update SiI RAID driver.


1. Right click on 'My Computer' and select 'Properties'. Under the 'System Properties'
section, click on 'Hardware' tab, and then on 'Device Manager'
click 'SCSI and RAID Controller' and right click 'Silicon Image Ultra-133 Medley
ATA Raid Controller'.

2. Click 'Driver' ,'Update Driver' and select 'Search for a suitable driver for my
device[Recommended]'. Insert the driver diskette into floppy drive.
Click 'Next' and complete the driver installation.

3. System will go through the enumeration process and install the driver.
At the end of the process, click 'Yes' to reboot your system when necessary.

4. See instructions in section 4 to verify controller was installed
correctly.


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7) Windows 98SE and Windows ME Fresh Installation Instructions
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Follow the instructions in this section if you are performing a new
installation of Windows 98SE/ME and you wish to boot from a device attached
to the SiI 3112 controller.

You may start up the Windows 98SE/ME installation from CD. If either your
Windows 98SE/ME CD or CD-ROM drive is not bootable, your can start up with
floppy diskettes.

1. Power off the system. Connect the hard drives to the SiI RAID
controller and insert the controller into a PCI slot. Power up
the system.

2. Put your Windows 98SE/ME CD into the CD-ROM/DVD drive, and
the Windows 98SE/ME boot diskette in the floppy drive if your
system cannot boot from the CD.

3. Follow the normal Windows 98SE/ME setup instructions to select your choice for
partition and file system.


4. Wait until Windows 98SE/ME finishes installing devices, regional
settings, networking settings, components, and final set of
tasks, reboot the system.

5. After the system reboot, right click on 'My Computer' and select 'Properties'.
From the 'System Properties' , select 'Device Manager', right click on
the '?PCI RAID controller' and select 'Properties' from the pop-up menu.

6. Click 'Driver' ,'Update Driver' and select 'Automatic search for a better
driver[Recommended]'. Insert the driver diskette into floppy drive.
Click 'Next' and complete the driver installation.

7. System will go through the enumeration process and install the driver.
At the end of the process, click 'Yes' to reboot your system.

8. See instructions in section A to verify controller was installed
correctly.


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8) First time installing SiI RAID driver with existing Windows 98SE/ME
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If you have an existing Windows 98SE/ME system and just obtained a
Silicon Image SiI 3112 controller card, you need to run the update program
to install Silicon Image driver. The driver package is located in the
Silicon Image driver diskette or the diskette provided by OEM vendor.

1. Power off the system. Connect the hard drives to the SiI 3112
controller and insert the controller into a PCI slot. Power up
the system.

2. During the system boot up, the Hardware Wizard will display that it found a
' PCI RAID Controller' , click ' Next' . Select ' Search for the best
driver for your device[Recommended]' and click ' Next' .

3. Check the ' Floppy disk drives' and insert the driver diskette into floppy
drive. Click ' Next' .

4. System will go through the enumeration process and install the driver.
At the end of the process, Click ' Finish' to complete the installation.
Reboot the system if your Windows 98SE/ME drive is connected on the
SiI RAID Controller.

5. See instructions in section A to verify controller was installed
correctly.


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9) Update SiI RAID driver on Windows 98SE/ME with existing Silicon Image driver
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With the Silicon Image controller already plugged in and the driver already
installed. Follow the instructions to update SiI 3112 driver.


1. Right click on 'My Computer' and select 'Properties'. Under 'System Properties',
click 'SCSI and RAID Controller' and right click 'Silicon Image Ultra-133 Medley
ATA Raid Controller'.

2. Click 'Driver' ,'Update Driver' and select 'Automatic search for a better
driver[Recommended]'. Insert the driver diskette into floppy drive.
Click 'Next' and complete the driver installation.

3. System will go through the enumeration process and install the driver.
At the end of the process, click 'Yes' to reboot your system.

4. See instructions in section A to verify controller was installed
correctly.


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Post napisao Sucro » 05 Feb 2008, 00:28

To je inace generalno problem, kod nekih ploca, malo starijih koje nemaju u svojim biosima podrsku za sata controlere, pa se trebaju driveri za iste instalirati, njih dobijete na CD od MB, samo obicno to niko ne pogleda :), i ima setup kojim kreirate floopy sa driverima, ulisata chipset, ili

ULISATA driveri, njih mozete naci i na site-u proizvodjaca, naravno da nece traziti uvijek prilikom dizanja iste drivere, jer su 1 ucitani, samo prilikom nove instalacije OS.a nanovo hoce!

Ovo se i kod raid controlera isto desava, iz iskustva!

Pozdrav svima
Ja nisam kao ti!

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